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Catwoman980 sent me a very kind e-mail directing me to where I could engage on the justice of my banishment from _Debate_. I e-mailed her back and basically said thanks, but no thanks. I am very content in my mind that my post was sensible, and even if it wasn't deletion would have been a better response then banning me. Getting into a pharisaical debate with _theis _ on the parsing of "meme" serves no purpose to my mind. I will just satisfy myself with _politics forum_, _theologica_ and _real philosophy_, though none of those can be considered laugh riots. And I will try to update here more often.

So, in that vein....


Let no man say there, “ Virtue's flinty wall
Shall lock vice in me, I'll do none, but know all.”
Men are sponges, which, to pour out, receive ;
Who know false play, rather than lose, deceive.
For in best understandings sin began,
Angels sinn'd first, then devils, and then man.
Only perchance beasts sin not ; wretched we
Are beasts in all but white integrity.
I think if men, which in these place live,
Durst look in themselves, and themselves retrieve,
They would like strangers greet themselves, seeing then
Utopian youth grown old Italian

John Donne, letter to Sir Henry Wooten.

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